general comments on Lane's wedding episode (spoilers if you haven't seen it)

[Anne]

The stuff with Mrs. Kim's mother seemed largely to be a rerun of the way
Trix used to run Emily around.

I appreciated the Joy Division reference. The bit with the
take-out-food-and-run for the first reception was funny. I like that "Kirk
doesn't count" as a guy for an escort. The band played well, and I liked the
choice of song.

Christopher continues to be disappointing. I like that he is happy, and less
of a drag on Lorelai than Luke currently is, but really, couldn't they have
done more with his character ? It was bad enough that he just inherited a
bunch of money rather than having to work for it or do something with his
life - but now he seems to be idle most of the time, and trying to buy his
way back into Rory's life. At least they gave lip service to him doing a
better job with GiGi lately.

As to the bachelor/bachelorette party stuff - I am not a fan of the more
typical booze and strippers type of affair, and a co-ed party is even fine.
But I don't like the lame way it was presented as though no one had any clue
of what to do or how to have fun. Even Emily's last minute bachelorette
party before her re-marriage had more life to it. It reminded me of the time
that Rory and Lorelai found themselves unexpectedly having no Friday night
dinner to go to, and sitting around pathetically as though they couldn't
think of anything fun in the world to do. Come on, these girls are all about
the fun.

I was very disappointed with Mrs. Kim's speech about men - something like
"if you are lucky like me you'll just have to do it once". Ieeewww. This was
offset a tiny bit, later, when she told Lane she'd be sleeping with earplugs
that night, giving Lane permission to have fun at her real reception.

Lorelai mentions that Lane is the first of Rory's friends to get married. I
guess Dean doesn't count ?

I was glad that the Chris as "date" to the wedding was a non-issue, and even
more happy that drunken Lorelai didn't wind up in bed with him, or get
discovered together with him by Luke.

Kirk totally looked to be cruising the "yummy" waiter - LuLu better keep an
eye out.

Zach and his love for his robe was like TJ and his love for his tights in
Liz's wedding episode.

I can't believe that even drunk Lorelai would make an obnoxious toast like
that, potentially ruining everyone's time. Getting drunk at the table, and
maybe saying it too loudly to Chris - sure, but not up on stage. Plus,
someone should have given her the hook sooner.

[Stacia]

Post by Anne
Christopher continues to be disappointing. I like that he is happy, and less
of a drag on Lorelai than Luke currently is, but really, couldn't they have
done more with his character ?

I'm torn on Christopher. He's been such a jerk in the re-runs I've
seen, and a lot of people in other Gg forums hate him beyond reason.
He's a wussy coward, kind of like Dean. But the show mentions that he
and Lor have a special bond and he does kind of try. He was there for
her tonight when she was lonely.
Plus, right now I'm really disappointed in how Luke is behaving.
I guess I'm ultimately upset that the writers aren't doing what I want
them to do, but I've seen enough TV in my very boring life to know that
shows never turn out the way you want. It's like a law. Luke was such
a great character at first, and he and Lor were so great together.
I think tonight's ep for me was more poignant because I just saw "Say
Something" on reruns an hour earlier.

Stacia

[Rob Jensen]

Post by Stacia
Plus, right now I'm really disappointed in how Luke is behaving.

IMO, you're *supposed* to be disappointed in how Luke is behaving.
Let's all hope he eventually learns his lesson, and in enough time
before he's totally lost Lor to Chris (y'know, before they get married
or something . . . ), but still, as cool as Luke *normally* is, he's
*far* from the perfect catch, and the show's just getting around to
showing us why. It wouldn't be believable (or Gilmore Girls) if they
didn't spend such a long arc on the storyline of explaining why Luke's
tunnel-vision is very unsexy and very bastard of him.

(Aside: I think I'd probably killfile anybody who approved of Luke's
behavior toward Lor lately or who thought that the show was trying to
present any sort of approval of Luke's treatment of her.)

Post by Stacia
I guess I'm ultimately upset that the writers aren't doing what I want
them to do, but I've seen enough TV in my very boring life to know that
shows never turn out the way you want. It's like a law. Luke was such
a great character at first, and he and Lor were so great together.

Joss Whedon pretty much said it all when he said (and probably stole
from someone else in doing so ;) ) that a writer's mission isn't to
give us the story that we want, but to give us the story that we need.
If we got what we wanted all the time -- characters who never make
mistakes, characters who are always likable, happy endings, etc and so
on -- we'd get nothing but According to Jim. And having just one of
those is bad enough.

To look at it from another direction: Amy *wants* us to squirm at the
the excruciatingly long amount of time it took before Lorelai finally
snapped and gave up on Luke so publicly, just as much as she wanted us
to squirm at the excruciatingly long amount of time that Rory had
spent broken up from Lorelai. The machinery of interpersonal
relationships -- particularly among such neurotic and anxiety-prone
people as Lor and Rory and, in Lorelai's case (and even, to some
extent, Luke's case), such traumatized characters -- really are that
complex and that time-consuming to to crank up to full speed. As
funny as the show is at times, Stars Hollow isn't Fuzzypuppyland (to
borrow a phrase from Lorelai for a minute), it's far more like the
world outside our window (while still being fictional) than viewers'
-- particularly but not only Lor-Luke shippers' -- love of the
Lorelais' sense of wonder and humor sometimes lets them see.

-- Rob

--
LORELAI: In the movie, only boy hobbits travel to Mount
Doom, but that's only because the girls went to do something
even more dangerous.
GIRL: What?
LORELAI: Have you ever heard of a Brazilian Bikini Wax?

[Stacia]

Post by Rob Jensen

Post by Stacia
Plus, right now I'm really disappointed in how Luke is behaving.

IMO, you're *supposed* to be disappointed in how Luke is behaving.
Let's all hope he eventually learns his lesson, and in enough time
before he's totally lost Lor to Chris (y'know, before they get married
or something . . . ), but still, as cool as Luke *normally* is, he's
*far* from the perfect catch, and the show's just getting around to
showing us why.

You know, this made me realize that the show did this exact thing with
Lor back in "Say Anything" -- showed us and Luke why she wasn't perfect.
She's got all that baggage that he said he couldn't handle. Unlike Lor,
though, he didn't quietly keep it to himself and try to deal with the
imperfections, he just immediately told Lor he couldn't deal with it.
Later he changed his mind, of course, but while it summed up Lor's
baggage it also was one of the first examples of why Luke wasn't the
perfect knight in shining armor that the shippers believe.

Post by Rob Jensen
(Aside: I think I'd probably killfile anybody who approved of Luke's
behavior toward Lor lately or who thought that the show was trying to
present any sort of approval of Luke's treatment of her.)

There's some on the TWoP forums who think Lor is spoiled and Luke is
just giving her a reality lesson. TWoP forums are cruel places.

Post by Rob Jensen
Joss Whedon pretty much said it all when he said (and probably stole
from someone else in doing so ;) ) that a writer's mission isn't to
give us the story that we want, but to give us the story that we need.

This is a great statement. It's true, tonight's episode was so moving
I'm still getting teary-eyed thinking about it. I'd like it to all be
fluffy bunnies, with LL happily snuggling at the end of each episode,
but that kind of plotline wouldn't have had the impact on me that
tonight's ep did.

Stacia

[Dr. Woodard]

Post by Stacia
There's some on the TWoP forums who think Lor is spoiled and Luke is
just giving her a reality lesson. TWoP forums are cruel places.

Lor is not spoiled. Underneath all the pop culture wise cracks,
the jokes, etc. is a very troubled, lonely, bitter woman who
may never really find happiness. Considering all the history with
Lorelai/Richard/Emily and the first 32 years of her life I have
to wonder if Lorelai will ever really find happiness.

But no Lorelai is not spoiled.

Someone who is spoiled doesn't up and walk out on mom and
dad at 16 and have a baby.

Post by Stacia
This is a great statement. It's true, tonight's episode was so moving
I'm still getting teary-eyed thinking about it. I'd like it to all be
fluffy bunnies, with LL happily snuggling at the end of each episode,
but that kind of plotline wouldn't have had the impact on me that
tonight's ep did.

And if Luke and Lorelai got married early on in the series and
everything was happy in Star Hollow land last night at 8pm the WB
would have been running Pepper Dennis/The Surreal Life 14/Beauty and
the Geek 27/or Candlepins for Cash.

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Post by Rob Jensen
Joss Whedon pretty much said it all when he said (and probably stole
from someone else in doing so ;) ) that a writer's mission isn't to
give us the story that we want, but to give us the story that we need.
If we got what we wanted all the time -- characters who never make
mistakes, characters who are always likable, happy endings, etc and so
on -- we'd get nothing but According to Jim. And having just one of
those is bad enough.

Damn straight. My life is one that is error free, surrounded by likable
people, and nothing bad ever happens to me or really, to anyone I know.
So, I watch TV as escapist fantasy. Good quote, but I know what show
Joss claims to be the best ever, as well as best written .... Veronica
Mars. Thank you to WB/UPN for making my Tuesdays perfect now by stacking
the two best shows on TV back-to-back.

[Dr. Woodard]

Post by Jerry Davis
Damn straight. My life is one that is error free, surrounded by likable
people, and nothing bad ever happens to me or really, to anyone I know.
So, I watch TV as escapist fantasy. Good quote, but I know what show
Joss claims to be the best ever, as well as best written .... Veronica
Mars. Thank you to WB/UPN for making my Tuesdays perfect now by stacking
the two best shows on TV back-to-back.

My understanding is VM at 9pm Tuesday is a test for next season
and GG followed by VM on the CW.

Also VM is a bilion times better than the awful Pepper Dennis.

The coming attractions for PD are enough to make me vomit.

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Post by Rob Jensen
Joss Whedon pretty much said it all when he said (and probably stole
from someone else in doing so ;) ) that a writer's mission isn't to
give us the story that we want, but to give us the story that we need.

Actually the writers mission is to keep you sitting in that chair
glued to the tube so they can sell you stuff.

After all the WB is in the advertising business. The show is just
there to get you to watch the ads.

Post by Rob Jensen
If we got what we wanted all the time -- characters who never make
mistakes, characters who are always likable, happy endings, etc and so
on -- we'd get nothing but According to Jim. And having just one of
those is bad enough.

Very true.


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Post by Anne
As to the bachelor/bachelorette party stuff - I am not a fan of the more
typical booze and strippers type of affair, and a co-ed party is even fine.
But I don't like the lame way it was presented as though no one had any clue
of what to do or how to have fun.

As someone who got married 19 years ago I loved the
bachelor/bachelorette party stuff.

Post by Anne
Even Emily's last minute bachelorette
party before her re-marriage had more life to it. It reminded me of the time
that Rory and Lorelai found themselves unexpectedly having no Friday night
dinner to go to, and sitting around pathetically as though they couldn't
think of anything fun in the world to do. Come on, these girls are all about
the fun.

And they were in Stars Hollow which doesn't exactly exude "fun" in
much of a capacity. IT'S A SMALL TOWN AFTER ALL.

Post by Anne
I was very disappointed with Mrs. Kim's speech about men - something like
"if you are lucky like me you'll just have to do it once". Ieeewww. This was
offset a tiny bit, later, when she told Lane she'd be sleeping with earplugs
that night, giving Lane permission to have fun at her real reception.

Now I loved that entire sequence.

Remember the world Lane grew up in is vastly different from the world
Mrs. Kim grew up in all those years ago.

Post by Anne
Lorelai mentions that Lane is the first of Rory's friends to get married. I
guess Dean doesn't count ?

I thought that too.

Post by Anne
I can't believe that even drunk Lorelai would make an obnoxious toast like
that, potentially ruining everyone's time. Getting drunk at the table, and
maybe saying it too loudly to Chris - sure, but not up on stage. Plus,
someone should have given her the hook sooner.

I disagree. While the Lane's wedding wasn't a good place to do it,
Lorelai had too much bottled up inside and some point it was going
to come exploding out.


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Post by Dr. Woodard

Post by Anne
I was very disappointed with Mrs. Kim's speech about men - something like
"if you are lucky like me you'll just have to do it once". Ieeewww. This was
offset a tiny bit, later, when she told Lane she'd be sleeping with earplugs
that night, giving Lane permission to have fun at her real reception.

Now I loved that entire sequence.
Remember the world Lane grew up in is vastly different from the world
Mrs. Kim grew up in all those years ago.

And she may not have been being entirely serious. Mrs. Kim admitted way
back in "Say Goodnight, Gracie" that she was capable of kidding around
(It's Shakespeare, Henry VI. I like to goof off now and then, too, you
know. ").

Stephen